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Ah sorry misread your post on that one.

What are your thoughts on Tino?

tino didnt do anything illegal so no fuss

Depends which Tino incident! Firstly in fight...

I think if Tino did that as part of a regular tackle in the NRL he'd probably be looking at a bin, but it's not a regular tackle, and it's not the NRL.

Now as for Tino doing it in a fight, well it seems like 3rd man in doesn't matter anymore so no punishment there.
Well, not without a NSW player to bin with him. Andrew Fif got done for 3rd man in during All Stars (when he was 5th man in) but I'm not sure if we've seen one since?

I didn't like it, holding a player in a headlock like that and flipping them over like he did seems pretty dangerous and pretty significant head/neck contact. I think it was binnable, but that in Origin they wouldn't bin it. As an aftergame punishment fine sufficient.

Tino did what you are supposed to do - stop the fight by dragged down/away the oppositions player and if your guy can get a couple easy shots in while you break it up, so be it. You never grab your guy and let their guy swing at him while restrained.

And then the high shot...

Also reckon this one is a bin in NRL and probably at least grade 2 careless, which is what he got charged with. You could probably call it grade 3 tbh and if it happened in NRL on a half they could even go reckless.
I'm not exactly sure the Origin system but grade 2 careless in NRL is a 1 game suspension if you plead guilty (or 2 if not) and I don't necessarily mind them stretching the leniency of violence and dangerous play in Origin. It's definitely not the right thing to do, but it can make for good watching.

Personally I think that'd have to be very close to a sin bin even in Origin though. But fine with it being a fine.
That same tackle from Tino/Hetherington/AFif/Ramien on a Cleary/ARey/Moses/Ponga/Papenhyuzen in NRL we all know is 10 minutes and 2+ weeks, maybe even send off.
 

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the highshot in nrl is a sin bin and a suspension, this is origin though and they changed the rules to match payment %

as for the fight, what ever, go and watch the manly storm fight again and when blair starts belting stewart near the tunnel he is jumped by 5 manly players

it happens in fights on the field
 

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It depends on what NRL wants to do. If holding someone while your teammate can punch him is just worth 3K, then let's give them 15K at the beginning of the game and go at it.

I am with the mindset that the ref should punish the players not players themselves. If Burton did something worng, then it should be up to the ref to punish Burton not Gagai. I would have shown all 3 red cards and be done with it.
 
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I didn’t say anything about running over Ponga, which he did on purpose, and Gagai escalated.

When he then chased after (notoriously aggressive) Gagai looking for revenge for being pushed over he didn’t give himself a lot of options. Looks to me like they started throwing together.


Origin was two days ago Chad, we haven’t even had a single NRL game since. If you don’t want to read about origin don’t click in.
I was referring more to the horrible result rather than my reluctance to read it mate. :)
 

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the highshot in nrl is a sin bin and a suspension, this is origin though and they changed the rules to match payment %

as for the fight, what ever, go and watch the manly storm fight again and when blair starts belting stewart near the tunnel he is jumped by 5 manly players

it happens in fights on the field
Do you know where to find the guide for Origin charges? Can you only be fined, surely you can be suspended?

As for the third man in yeah as I said it wasn't the amount of head and neck contact the NRL would usually be okay with but in circumstances (fight and Origin) so be it.

Worth noting if you want to do comparisons that in Origin Waterhouse got sent off for levelling Price, although ended up beating the charge for it as Price perhaps got slept by the last punch not the third man in. So all well and good to break down what happened in hindsight but there is precedent for a very aggressive third man in in Origin leaving the field.

I was referring more to the horrible result rather than my reluctance to read it mate. :)
Fair enough, I'd probably be more concerned if I wasn't used it...
 

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the highshot in nrl is a sin bin and a suspension, this is origin though and they changed the rules to match payment %

as for the fight, what ever, go and watch the manly storm fight again and when blair starts belting stewart near the tunnel he is jumped by 5 manly players

it happens in fights on the field

The Manly Storm fight was before the crackdown though, but even so, yes the Manly players jumping on Blair was an absolute dog act as well, as would it be in any situation where 5 guys are ganging up on 1.

Tino’s headlock was also dog act and should of been binned imo.

If Burton changed direction just to run over Ponga from behind thats also a dog act and was also justified in being binned imo.
 

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you cant be suspended from an origin incident in club land, so basically you can flog a ****, or drop him on his head and just get a portion of your match payment suspended
 

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The Manly Storm fight was before the crackdown though, but even so, yes the Manly players jumping on Blair was an absolute dog act as well, as would it be in any situation where 5 guys are ganging up on 1.

Tino’s headlock was also dog act and should of been binned imo.

If Burton changed direction just to run over Ponga from behind thats also a dog act and was also justified in being binned imo.
burton wasnt binned for that, he was binned for throwing the shittest punches you will ever see on a field

and dont give me the tino grabbed him spiel, gagai had already ****ed his face up and split his lip before tino calmed the situation down
 

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burton wasnt binned for that, he was binned for throwing the shittest punches you will ever see on a field

and dont give me the tino grabbed him spiel, gagai had already ****ed his face up and split his lip before tino calmed the situation down

Calm the situation?! He rushed in as a third man and tried to hold him in a headlock while he was being punched!
 
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I don't really mind re the third man as you can have a bit of discretion being Origin however in relation to the high shot across the jaw / cheek - that is black and white and should have been sin binned.

The harm it can cause the player (especially in lieu of the emphasis on high shots now) is the same whether club football or origin.

No difference to the concussion laws. 5 or so years ago Murray and Co probably stay on the field (or come back on).
 

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I dunno I just feel like being a third man in on any fight is a bit of a dog act, unless your clearly trying to get between the two to hold them apart, I dont think Tino was doing that.
 
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I dunno I just feel like being a third man in on any fight is a bit of a dog act, unless your clearly trying to get between the two to hold them apart, I dont think Tino was doing that.
Better to just let them punch on until someone drops? What about if other bloke goes on with it on ground?

If you join in swinging different story, Tino came in pretty forcefully but also clearly to stop the fight.

Gagai would have pounded the **** out of Burton if they’d let it go
 

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Better to just let them punch on until someone drops? What about if other bloke goes on with it on ground?

If you join in swinging different story, Tino came in pretty forcefully but also clearly to stop the fight.

Gagai would have pounded the **** out of Burton if they’d let it go

Tino didnt get in between them, he tried to grabbed Burton from behind in a headlock while he was being punched. Thats not trying to break up the fight, thats letting your mate get some cheap shots in.

Dog act.
 

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Better to just let them punch on until someone drops? What about if other bloke goes on with it on ground?

If you join in swinging different story, Tino came in pretty forcefully but also clearly to stop the fight.

Gagai would have pounded the **** out of Burton if they’d let it go
It did not look like that though. It looked like he was holding Burton while Gagai was punching him freely.

I think NSW needed Latrell in that instance. ;)
 

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Tino didnt get in between them, he tried to grabbed Burton from behind in a headlock while he was being punched. Thats not trying to break up the fight, thats letting your mate get some cheap shots in.

Dog act.
I agree. Someone who wanted to break the fight would have gone in between them.
 

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Tino didnt get in between them, he tried to grabbed Burton from behind in a headlock while he was being punched. Thats not trying to break up the fight, thats letting your mate get some cheap shots in.

Dog act.
Getting in between people is not the only way to break up a fight
Grabbing someone by the head and throwing them to the ground and then having other people pile on them is also effective.
You don't do that to the person in the fight you like, you do it to the other guy.
If he gets punched a few times on the way down so be it, that's not up to you.

I agree. Someone who wanted to break the fight would have gone in between them.
It feels like you either think Tino feels equally about them or hopes for some kind of peaceful resolution to the matter.
He was stopping the punch up but happy for Burton to sustain damage in the meantime. He wasn't playing Origin to be gentle with NSW players.

Is that a dog act?
Well when Burton started the fight* he knew Gagai had 12 mates with him and you know they will get involved with at least pushing shoving and grabbing etc because he knows he'd do the same.

When he marched at Gagai like that he had to know he was long odds of walking away without anyone else in a Queensland jersey touching him at any stage.

*He cheap shotted Ponga, Gagai cheat shotted him, then he went after Gagai and they both started throwing, but there is no realistic outcome where you go after Gagai there and he just cowers away, you're creating a confrontation with a player likely to escalate again.
Gagai was the better fighter and had the closer mates so Burton had his work cut out for him to come away from that on top.
 

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Getting in between people is not the only way to break up a fight
Grabbing someone by the head and throwing them to the ground and then having other people pile on them is also effective.
You don't do that to the person in the fight you like, you do it to the other guy.
If he gets punched a few times on the way down so be it, that's not up to you.

You just described a dog act. Tino acted like a coward.
 
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