Official Matt Moylan

No to Moyza, 1 yr if at all, ... he will ultimately disappoint. Like one of those spinning fizzing fireworks that don''t match the marketing on the label, that you have to relight, or it fizzes dark, never to fire properly. Á dud Catherine wheel, spinning silently, spluttering to a limp spark half way through the contract.. smoking limply, then glowing occasionally, promising to fire, but ultimately you reach for a ten shooter rocket to erase the disappointment... But i will admit i'm surprised by the missed tackle stat, as he's made some important ones this yr. .

stormshark said:

No to Moyza, 1 yr if at all, ... he will ultimately disappoint. Like one of those spinning fizzing fireworks that don''t match the marketing on the label, that you have to relight, or it fizzes dark, never to fire properly. Á dud Catherine wheel, spinning silently, spluttering to a limp spark half way through the contract.. then glowing occasionally promising to fire, but ultimately you reach for a ten shooter rocket to erase the disappointment... But i will admit i'm surprised by the missed tackle stat, as he's made some important ones this yr. .

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Sounds like my sex life!

HaroldBishop said:

Jack would love Northies.

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That would be a pickup and a half from Sharks.

I'd take Kieren Foran on 1 year before I took Moylan on 2. If Manly are keen to play Schuster at 6 it could be an option for next year if Moylan moves on.

He is good, but l half the player he was in 2018. With 58/96* (60%) games played across his 4-year contract with us, I can't see how we can be desperate to lock him down for another 2 years. I think it's all manager talk. For us, I can see the logic in signing him for next year as there is bugger all available and we are losing Metcalf. I'd only consider talking about 2024 after he plays 20+ games this season.

* If you take out 2018 where he wasn't affected by injury. He had a stint of 34/72 games played (47%).

Proud Shark said:

I'd take Kieren Foran on 1 year before I took Moylan on 2. If Manly are keen to play Schuster at 6 it could be an option for next year if Moylan moves on.

He is good, but l half the player he was in 2018. With 58/96* (60%) games played across his 4-year contract with us, I can't see how we can be desperate to lock him down for another 2 years. I think it's all manager talk. For us, I can see the logic in signing him for next year as there is bugger all available and we are losing Metcalf. I'd only consider talking about 2024 after he plays 20+ games this season.

* If you take out 2018 where he wasn't affected by injury. He had a stint of 34/72 games played (47%).

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Kieran played 12+14+14 games 2018 to 2020... so approx 55% of games
and before that 9 and 17 so across that 5 years still about 55%
His 35% win rate in this period not great either.

He's one year removed from 5 years of issues, hardly a safer bet.
Now you are saying you'd take him on one rather than Moylan on two as your main point obviously, for me that is still a value question.
If it was like Foran for 1 year on 300 or Moylan for 2 on 500 then I also prefer the Foran signing I guess.

Although I do have concerns about his non-Manly curse

bort said:

Kieran played 12+14+14 games 2018 to 2020... so approx 55% of games
and before that 9 and 17 so across that 5 years still about 55%
His 35% win rate in this period not great either.

He's one year removed from 5 years of issues, hardly a safer bet.
Now you are saying you'd take him on one rather than Moylan on two as your main point obviously, for me that is still a value question.
If it was like Foran for 1 year on 300 or Moylan for 2 on 500 then I also prefer the Foran signing I guess.

Although I do have concerns about his non-Manly curse

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Yep nail on the head with the second point, it's the length. I'd take Moylan for 1 over Foran for 2 also.

If you were to tell me we could have Moylan for 250k per year for 2 years I'd jump on it. My recollection was he was on about 350k and it sounds like from articles he is after an upgrade (understandably). 250k is fine money for a 3rd choice half and wouldn't impact us chasing another signing, I don't think anyway.

Proud Shark said:

Yep nail on the head with the second point, it's the length. I'd take Moylan for 1 over Foran for 2 also.

If you were to tell me we could have Moylan for 250k per year for 2 years I'd jump on it. My recollection was he was on about 350k and it sounds like from articles he is after an upgrade (understandably). 250k is fine money for a 3rd choice half and wouldn't impact us chasing another signing, I don't think anyway.

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I've seen multiple years mentioned but don't think I've specifically seen wanting more money... obviously he'll take what he can get there but I wouldn't think any club would be offering substantially more than we would. However there is a pretty big difference between one year and two years.

bort said:

I've seen multiple years mentioned but don't think I've specifically seen wanting more money... obviously he'll take what he can get there but I wouldn't think any club would be offering substantially more than we would. However there is a pretty big difference between one year and two years.

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Yeah I'm just assuming. He seemingly is going from being unwanted, to having options. Again an assumption as he may have signed elsewhere, there just wasn't any reporting of other clubs being interested last year and now there is.

Proud Shark said:

Yeah I'm just assuming. He seemingly is going from being unwanted, to having options. Again an assumption as he may have signed elsewhere, there just wasn't any reporting of other clubs being interested last year and now there is.

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If money was the number one factor for him he should starting practicing his 5th tackles at training. Probably add like 50k or more to his price if he actually kicked almost ever

bort said:

If money was the number one factor for him he should starting practicing his 5th tackles at training. Probably add like 50k or more to his price if he actually kicked almost ever

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And goal kicking!

apezza said:

And goal kicking!

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The ripped off leg would go over before the ball

Proud Shark said:

I'd take Kieren Foran on 1 year before I took Moylan on 2. If Manly are keen to play Schuster at 6 it could be an option for next year if Moylan moves on.

He is good, but l half the player he was in 2018. With 58/96* (60%) games played across his 4-year contract with us, I can't see how we can be desperate to lock him down for another 2 years. I think it's all manager talk. For us, I can see the logic in signing him for next year as there is bugger all available and we are losing Metcalf. I'd only consider talking about 2024 after he plays 20+ games this season.

* If you take out 2018 where he wasn't affected by injury. He had a stint of 34/72 games played (47%).

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I feel that would be too much of a sideways move for us. Replacing one veteran held together by duct tape with another. Although Foran’s kicking game is much better then Matty’s.

Foran is currently paired with an experienced controlling type half with a kicking game in DCE. They have a combination formed over many years together.

Different proposition to pair Foran with Hynes

While it might help take some pressure off Hynes in terms of kicking and organisation it might also hamper Forans game a bit or put more pressure on him. DCE is a better defender than Hynes as well so likely so more work in D required from Foran too.

Ofcourse it could also work out well with Foran & Hynes complimenting each other but it's a stop gap and a gamble regardless I think you may as well just stick with Mozza who already at the club and in your system

Gards said:

Foran is currently paired with an experienced controlling type half with a kicking game in DCE. They have a combination formed over many years together.

Different proposition to pair Foran with Hynes

While it might help take some pressure off Hynes in terms of kicking and organisation it might also hamper Forans game a bit or put more pressure on him. DCE is a better defender than Hynes as well so likely so more work in D required from Foran too.

Ofcourse it could also work out well with Foran & Hynes complimenting each other but it's a stop gap and a gamble regardless I think you may as well just stick with Mozza who already at the club and in your system

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Not quite sure how you figure this out mate? How would it result in more work for Foran?

Gards said:

Foran is currently paired with an experienced controlling type half with a kicking game in DCE. They have a combination formed over many years together.

Different proposition to pair Foran with Hynes

While it might help take some pressure off Hynes in terms of kicking and organisation it might also hamper Forans game a bit or put more pressure on him. DCE is a better defender than Hynes as well so likely so more work in D required from Foran too.

Ofcourse it could also work out well with Foran & Hynes complimenting each other but it's a stop gap and a gamble regardless I think you may as well just stick with Mozza who already at the club and in your system

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You know if Trindall actually kicked on or if we actually get to see him play 7 we would know whether we even need to look for another option, but the last 10 mins on the field in some random ass roving position will do, it’s doing wonders.. I get he doesn’t want to hurt the kid by “dropping” him but I don’t think it’s doing any favours for anyone

Wizard said:

You know if Trindall actually kicked on or if we actually get to see him play 7 we would know whether we even need to look for another option, but the last 10 mins on the field in some random ass roving position will do, it’s doing wonders.. I get he doesn’t want to hurt the kid by “dropping” him but I don’t think it’s doing any favours for anyone

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100%.

This has been raised numerous times over the past 4-5 wks by a number of different people.

He isn’t really getting a proper crack when it’s 10 mins at the end of a game to manage the win (already in the bag) or “pull a miracle out of the hat”.

Neither situation really helps in his overall development or confidence IMO.

He needs 80 mins to work on his skills either NSW cup or NRL if needed.

I’m not the coach but I just don’t see what the benefit is with 10 mins here and there.

Western Sharkie said:

100%.

This has been raised numerous times over the past 4-5 wks by a number of different people.

He isn’t really getting a proper crack when it’s 10 mins at the end of a game to manage the win (already in the bag) or “pull a miracle out of the hat”.

Neither situation really helps in his overall development or confidence IMO.

He needs 80 mins to work on his skills either NSW cup or NRL if needed.

I’m not the coach but I just don’t see what the benefit is with 10 mins here and there.

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I do agree, but that 10 minutes is also far from the only time the coach sees Trindall all week.

The coach himself has access to much more information about how Trindall is tracking, what he needs to work on, what he can and can't do when playing the 7 role (admittedly mostly in a training environment).

I used to say I wasn't sure if 80 in Cup or 10 in NRL was better for him longer term, I've swung hard towards the 80 in Cup now myself, however seems like Fitz either feels it is the 10 in NRL that is better. Or at least feels Trindall on the bench is better for the NRL team (which may then change when Tracey returns).

Assuming Fitz knows better than us the question mark is perhaps more like is Fitz doing what is best for Trindall or the NRL team?

I also doubt Fitz is saying get on and pull a miracle out, you'd think he is there firstly as cover and then as a way to inject some energy and passing late in the game. Perhaps to his own detriment he does seem to be trying to chase the miracles.

Trindalls fragile ego (assigned to him by commenters more than anything he has done himself) may be damaged by reverting back to Cup.
I don't know him well enough to judge that however I do think if told to go he should go no questions asked and accept it. Has been suggested previously he should have quit our team when Townsend was being selected ahead of him. Well Townsend is halfback of the side 3rd on the ladder right now and we are debating if Trindall should get 10 minutes or dropped so maybe there was a reason Chad used to get a jersey over him...

bort said:

Well Townsend is halfback of the side 3rd on the ladder right now and we are debating if Trindall should get 10 minutes or dropped so maybe there was a reason Chad used to get a jersey over him...

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That's a slippery slope you are traversing on this forum mate ..

apezza said:

That's a slippery slope you are traversing on this forum mate ..

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That's unlike me!

apezza said:

That's a slippery slope you are traversing on this forum mate ..

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Mate - bort loved Chad like no other, nothing out of the usual there.