(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

Just had a quick squiz at Cotrics stats over his career... averages mid 70%'s for tackle efficiency (not great, even for a winger/centre) and has good return metres.
If we could get him for $300-350k I'd do it. I think he'd be a far better player here

Siliva Havili signs with Souths
Peter Hola (big young prop) early release from Cows to sign with Canberra

You only have to miss like 1 tackle in a game as an outside back to potentially get lumped with a 70% tackle efficeincy. Our current outside backs have finished games with those sort of figures plenty of times.

Considering our recent signings have had relatively little leaked info or gossip prior to official announcement it's reasonably likely that our next singing will again be fairly unexpected and out of the blue.

In other words the players we are actually talking to we probabaly arn't going to know much about that until they are about to or have actually signed. Though Reynolds was an exception as our attempts to sign him was a very public circus but he was actively shopping clubs to get the best deal and didn't really hide that.

Ofcourse just because there are rumours and speculation doesn't mean we are also not talking with that player but there have been plenty of bum steers the last few seasons and the club has done well keeping things under wraps and externals in the dark.

I don't recall much of any solid info beyond speculation suggesting Mcinnes, Hynes or Dale were going to sign with our club perhaps the later 2 helped by a professional Storm club. but Either the leaks have been plugged / expunged or the club is just managing things better these days. I don't remember riccio or buzz having any scoop on these really.

Rumours aren't even rumours anymore like the old journo saw X player speaking with Y coach at some cafe that might have some level of merit attached to it... it's more speculation or opinion from media on which player could or should go where written down in the body of the article as if that is what is actually going down cause the head line made it sound like fact.

In summary I think we all need to upgrade our pinches of salt to handfulls when it comes to these sorta things and not stress to much about being 'linked' to some over priced player we don't rate or whatever

Club seems to know it's business these days

Gards said:

You only have to miss like 1 tackle in a game as an outside back to potentially get lumped with a 70% tackle efficeincy. Our current outside backs have finished games with those sort of figures plenty of times.

Considering our recent signings have had relatively little leaked info or gossip prior to official announcement it's reasonably likely that our next singing will again be fairly unexpected and out of the blue.

In other words the players we are actually talking to we probabaly arn't going to know much about that until they are about to or have actually signed. Though Reynolds was an exception as our attempts to sign him was a very public circus but he was actively shopping clubs to get the best deal and didn't really hide that.

Ofcourse just because there are rumours and speculation doesn't mean we are also not talking with that player but there have been plenty of bum steers the last few seasons and the club has done well keeping things under wraps and externals in the dark.

I don't recall much of any solid info beyond speculation suggesting Mcinnes, Hynes or Dale were going to sign with our club perhaps the later 2 helped by a professional Storm club. but Either the leaks have been plugged / expunged or the club is just managing things better these days. I don't remember riccio or buzz having any scoop on these really.

Rumours aren't even rumours anymore like the old journo saw X player speaking with Y coach at some cafe that might have some level of merit attached to it... it's more speculation or opinion from media on which player could or should go where written down in the body of the article as if that is what is actually going down cause the head line made it sound like fact.

In summary I think we all need to upgrade our pinches of salt to handfulls when it comes to these sorta things and not stress to much about being 'linked' to some over priced player we don't rate or whatever

Club seems to know it's business these days

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Couldn't agree more Gards, well put. I am seriously over people getting all worked up about player rumours when that particular player probably isn't coming anywhere near us.

This is The Rumour Mill though isn’t it ?

Chad said:

Couldn't agree more Gards, well put. I am seriously over people getting all worked up about player rumours when that particular player probably isn't coming anywhere near us.

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worked up seems a bit extreme for the conversation just had about Cotric, there was a rumour and then a bit of a discussion about it. Nobody was buying a Cotric Sharks jersey or cancelling their membership. This thread would be on about page 5 if we only posted rumours/player movements in here and nobody spoke about them.

Doesn't help that as Gards mentioned journos can now be their own source to just make up random potential player moves, although that was not the source of this one as far as I am aware.

I've commented about how I would see Cotric fit in our side but have 0% expectation of it happening.

Super Impose said:

This is The Rumour Mill though isn’t it ?

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It is but hardly any play out despite "all but inked" , the quality of sources "mail" seems worse than it used to but it might just be my perception and that there is more information flow than ever over mass media, socials, forums ect so of course the dodgy info is going to increase alongside the good

Feels like back in the day word would have got out about one of our recent signings in advance. It's a good thing those things didn't leak but it only makes me more skeptical of anything not coming officially from our club

bort said:

worked up seems a bit extreme for the conversation just had about Cotric, there was a rumour and then a bit of a discussion about it. Nobody was buying a Cotric Sharks jersey or cancelling their membership. This thread would be on about page 5 if we only posted rumours/player movements in here and nobody spoke about them.

Doesn't help that as Gards mentioned journos can now be their own source to just make up random potential player moves, although that was not the source of this one as far as I am aware.

I've commented about how I would see Cotric fit in our side but have 0% expectation of it happening.

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more a general comment mate , the amount of things we get linked to is ridiculous. it's fun to discuss and share our opinions and by all means comment on how a player would fit in our side but not worth worrying about too much even if again its fun to let the imagintion run wild and get fired up. I'm sure the club aren't settling on Tracey as our starting centre for instance nor would they entertain Cotric if they didn't think it was the best play they had

Feel like there is an air of confidence and belief in the club about what they are doing and the approach to business and signings. In the past we would have to take what ever table scraps fell to the ground and pay overs for them and being linked or rumoured to bad deals in the player market was a genuine cause for concern as there was a chance it was genuine

I used to hang onto the breath of every word of potential signing cause the club was so desperate for success. Now we just roll big signings outta nowhere like its nothing while the hit rate of 'the inside word' seems to have plummeted. It's still a big deal and all but the context has shifted for me , maybe that's why I feel this way.

Getting a player like Carney in 2012 seemed unbelievable now we expect those sort of signings every couple of seasons. I must admit I still want another big announcement signing wise from the club for 2022. maybe some pessimism then from me then in being linked to more average players even if they still have a part to play in our squad make up.

I'll still play fantasy 17 though

I think one of our biggest challenges in the current market is pleb clubs with big checkbooks but our reputation as a competitive club with a good culture, new young coach ect continues to serve us well. if someone decides to got to the dogs or warriors fmd good luck to them they will need it, at least their bank account will feel good.

Gards said:

more a general comment mate , the amount of things we get linked to is ridiculous. it's fun to discuss and share our opinions and by all means comment on how a player would fit in our side but not worth worrying about too much even if again its fun to let the imagintion run wild and get fired up. I'm sure the club aren't settling on Tracey as our starting centre for instance nor would they entertain Cotric if they didn't think it was the best play they had

Feel like there is an air of confidence and belief in the club about what they are doing and the approach to business and signings. In the past we would have to take what ever table scraps fell to the ground and pay overs for them and being linked or rumoured to bad deals in the player market was a genuine cause for concern as there was a chance it was genuine

I used to hang onto the breath of every word of potential signing cause the club was so desperate for success. Now we just roll big signings outta nowhere like its nothing while the hit rate of 'the inside word' seems to have plummeted. It's still a big deal and all but the context has shifted for me , maybe that's why I feel this way.

Getting a player like Carney in 2012 seemed unbelievable now we expect those sort of signings every couple of seasons. I must admit I still want another big announcement signing wise from the club for 2022. maybe some pessimism then from me then in being linked to more average players even if they still have a part to play in our squad make up.

I'll still play fantasy 17 though

I think one of our biggest challenges in the current market is pleb clubs with big checkbooks but our reputation as a competitive club with a good culture, new young coach ect continues to serve us well. if someone decides to got to the dogs or warriors fmd good luck to them they will need it, at least their bank account will feel good.

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I agreed with your post, I just disagreed with Chad that people were 'seriously getting all worked up' because there was bit of back and forth about whether Cotric could be a good signing or not (probably everyone involved not actually expecting it to happen).
Some of the other clubs like Tigers/Dogs/Warriors get linked to anyone off contract and half the players on contract - their rumour thread for 2021 alone must be 2000+ pages.

Not every signing works out but we have recruited consistently well over past 10 years. Dugan and Moylan for example both good gets at around the right price. Both played some good footy for us but soured by different circumstance makes it look like a bad signing in hindsight.
Carney, J Smith, Lewis, Ennis, Maloney, Dugan, Moylan, Johnson are all very high value recruits.
As a fan I both love and hate the fact we now seem to be in the dark more about the legit big name signings McInnes, Hynes, Finucane.

As for point about good period of sustained successes value over the plebs I think has been incredibly valuable, as for 2022 team the years making the finals under a lot of adversity (reduced cap, rookie coach) probably played a big role in the signing of McInnes, Fitz & Hynes. Then managing to hang around still this year even if we didn't do quite as well probably helped Finucane over the line. He was official late July so probably looking at our round 19 8-10 record and I feel like a 6-12 or 5-13 may not have been enough to get him, and round 10 we were 2-8 so it's not that much of a stretch.

Cowboys also signed Jamayne Taunoa-Brown, early release from Warriors.
Added some serious size to their team today with him at 194cm/117kg and Hola 192cm/110kg

bort said:

Cowboys also signed Jamayne Taunoa-Brown, early release from Warriors.
Added some serious size to their team today with him at 194cm/117kg and Hola 192cm/110kg

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Isn’t hola going to the raiders from the cowboys ?

Jaws said:

Isn’t hola going to the raiders from the cowboys ?

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Former North Queensland Cowboys' prop Peter Hola has secured a release from the Townsville-based club to take up a contract with the Canberra Raiders for 2022.

It had previously been rumoured Hola's contract could be a multi-year contract in the nation's capital, and that's the way it has played out, with Hola signing on for 2022 and 2023 with an option for 2024, meaning he could play at least three seasons for the Raiders if things go according to plan.

Hola struggled to fight his way into Todd Payten's top 17 during the 2021 season, playing just three games for a Cowboys side who would ultimately finish in the bottom four at the end of the season.

Hola has played a total of 12 NRL matches, having debuted in the 2019 season. The hard-hitting forward has impressed in his limited opportunities at the top grade.


It leaves the Raiders with just a single spot in their top 30 for 2022, with Adam Elliott reportedly on the radar. Raiders' recruitment boss Peter Mulholland said Hola was a dynamic forward who would compliment the Raiders' forward pack.

“Peter’s a big body shape but is also very mobile. He’s predominantly a middle forward but can also play in the back row if needed,” Mulholland said.

“He definitely fits the mould of the next generation of forwards coming through, he’s a big guy with a big engine and great leg speed so he’ll be a player who we can help to continue his development.”

The signing of Hola in Canberra and release from the Cowboys will only add to the rumours that former Warriors prop Jamayne Taunoa-Brown, who was released this morning, could make his way to Townsville.

Jaws said:

Isn’t hola going to the raiders from the cowboys ?

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Yerp
Guess they are just swapping size for size then, no wonder they released him if it helped them fit JTB

Ain't gonna make it in this game with a name like Peter.

bort said:

worked up seems a bit extreme for the conversation just had about Cotric, there was a rumour and then a bit of a discussion about it. Nobody was buying a Cotric Sharks jersey or cancelling their membership. This thread would be on about page 5 if we only posted rumours/player movements in here and nobody spoke about them.

Doesn't help that as Gards mentioned journos can now be their own source to just make up random potential player moves, although that was not the source of this one as far as I am aware.

I've commented about how I would see Cotric fit in our side but have 0% expectation of it happening.

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I never mentioned the conversation about Cotric.

bort said:

I agreed with your post, I just disagreed with Chad that people were 'seriously getting all worked up' because there was bit of back and forth about whether Cotric could be a good signing or not (probably everyone involved not actually expecting it to happen).
Some of the other clubs like Tigers/Dogs/Warriors get linked to anyone off contract and half the players on contract - their rumour thread for 2021 alone must be 2000+ pages.

Not every signing works out but we have recruited consistently well over past 10 years. Dugan and Moylan for example both good gets at around the right price. Both played some good footy for us but soured by different circumstance makes it look like a bad signing in hindsight.
Carney, J Smith, Lewis, Ennis, Maloney, Dugan, Moylan, Johnson are all very high value recruits.
As a fan I both love and hate the fact we now seem to be in the dark more about the legit big name signings McInnes, Hynes, Finucane.

As for point about good period of sustained successes value over the plebs I think has been incredibly valuable, as for 2022 team the years making the finals under a lot of adversity (reduced cap, rookie coach) probably played a big role in the signing of McInnes, Fitz & Hynes. Then managing to hang around still this year even if we didn't do quite as well probably helped Finucane over the line. He was official late July so probably looking at our round 19 8-10 record and I feel like a 6-12 or 5-13 may not have been enough to get him, and round 10 we were 2-8 so it's not that much of a stretch.

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Again, I never mentioned Cotric.

bort said:

Yerp
Guess they are just swapping size for size then, no wonder they released him if it helped them fit JTB

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Gained 7kg. Not something my doctor would be happy with me about

Chad said:

I never mentioned the conversation about Cotric.

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Chad said:

Again, I never mentioned Cotric.

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Oh my bad for... following the logical flow of the conversation?

Sparkles said:

Just had a quick squiz at Cotrics stats over his career... averages mid 70%'s for tackle efficiency (not great, even for a winger/centre) and has good return metres.
If we could get him for $300-350k I'd do it. I think he'd be a far better player here

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Gards said:

You only have to miss like 1 tackle in a game as an outside back to potentially get lumped with a 70% tackle efficeincy. Our current outside backs have finished games with those sort of figures plenty of times. ...

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Chad said:

Couldn't agree more Gards, well put. I am seriously over people getting all worked up about player rumours when that particular player probably isn't coming anywhere near us.

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You said you couldn't agree more to a post which opened by talking about Cotric* so I don't think I've done particularly remarkable gymnastics to make the assumption your comment was in relation to the post you quoted and agreed with.
Regardless my point still stands that I think there is a big difference between a bit of back and forth about a potential (rumoured, likely bs) signing and 'people getting all worked up', whether you were referring to Cotric or still caught up on the suggestion to sign Wayne Ulugia back on page 13.

*Unless Gards' post was also unrelated to the context it appeared in

bort said:

the suggestion to sign Wayne Ulugia back on page 13

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Still pretty hyped on this 1

bort said:

Oh my bad for... following the logical flow of the conversation?





You said you couldn't agree more to a post which opened by talking about Cotric* so I don't think I've done particularly remarkable gymnastics to make the assumption your comment was in relation to the post you quoted and agreed with.
Regardless my point still stands that I think there is a big difference between a bit of back and forth about a potential (rumoured, likely bs) signing and 'people getting all worked up', whether you were referring to Cotric or still caught up on the suggestion to sign Wayne Ulugia back on page 13.

*Unless Gards' post was also unrelated to the context it appeared in

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Again you’re jumping to conclusions Bort. I agreed with the whole context of Gard’s post, nothing to do with Cotric at all. I know in previous times I’ve been a bit of a dick with the rumour mill page but I genuinely like to hear what’s happening and if there is any news on player signings. But I do think some posters get worked up over news about players that have been linked with us. That didn’t mean Cotric just meant players in general.

I think we just need to agree to disagree on this and just move on.

Capital_Shark said:

Still pretty hyped on this 1

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48 hours mate. Get ready.