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We seem to lack a kicking game for next season and a director at 7

I feel the game has evolved past the director at 7 cliche, the director can be at 6, they can share the role across the spine. And if the whole team is that well drilled and know their systems and what they need to do it's even less critical.

Kicking game is a solid point. Jury is out on Hynes kicking game, though I believe he can defn evolve into having one from the little I've seen. We need the other half to have a kicking game though, seems that's now passed Moylan. Trindall has a good boot.

Hopefully the hold tight on making a call on Brooks till they give Trindall a few more games at 7 when Johnson is out. If they see enough to develop they might stick with him.
 

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every day i am talking myyself into this signing more and more

I have my moments where I think it makes sense and then others where I think we are nuts.

I will understand why we sign him if we do, and he is actually a reasonable player. Halves always cop the **** when their side is losing. He wont have the same pressure to be a star player with the sharks.

I also like that we are not signing twats and Brooks seems like he is actually a nice guy.
 

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I feel the game has evolved past the director at 7 cliche, the director can be at 6, they can share the role across the spine. And if the whole team is that well drilled and know their systems and what they need to do it's even less critical.

Kicking game is a solid point. Jury is out on Hynes kicking game, though I believe he can defn evolve into having one from the little I've seen. We need the other half to have a kicking game though, seems that's now passed Moylan. Trindall has a good boot.

Hopefully the hold tight on making a call on Brooks till they give Trindall a few more games at 7 when Johnson is out. If they see enough to develop they might stick with him.

A big part of it is establishing what the set is. ie we have decent field position we are gunna hit up the middle, work towards left edge to set up an open right because we think our right side matches up well at the moment.
Chad apparently was good at picking the right kind of sets the coaches wanted from us, and as the primary receiver helping direct our players to those positions, in a very structured way.
Really anyone with half a brain to remember what the plan for the set is can do the second part, we just need someone between Hynes, McInnes, Brailey, Trindall/Moylan to be able to make good reads on delivering our game plan.
Following the game plan well does not necessarily mean Chad will look great, and it also doesn't necessarily mean we will win forward battles and get on front foot.

But do we need someone to come in and take over delivery in a structured way? I'm thinking the squad we have can probably enact that, the question is if we have someone who can make good decisions about what it is we are delivering or not.

The other question is do we have the squad that can deliver a more eyes up set, principles based footy as Matty Johns says
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speaking of Chad, was interesting to hear Flanno commentate on the Warriors game and say Chad is not a big talker on the field. I actually thought that was something he did do.
 

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speaking of Chad, was interesting to hear Flanno commentate on the Warriors game and say Chad is not a big talker on the field. I actually thought that was something he did do.

If people know their roles and the structures you don't necessarily have to talk much, you say what set the team are doing and players know what is likely to happen.
If Chad says we are doing X set Woods knows his job, Chad doesn't need to explain it to him.
In fact Woods probably prefers Chad shut up from there (not just for personal reasons), but in my experience I hated when halves felt the need to tell you what to do every play.
"Run towards the middle run towards the middle!" shut the **** up I know to run towards the middle, stop shouting out so the opposition know that is what I am going to do.
If you have half an idea about rugby league and can remember your teams calls and sets you don't need to think much or be told much to deliver a structured play. It's simple and less chance of **** ups as people know their jobs an what plays to expect when.

The less regimented/structured you are playing the more you need to talk as players are less likely to have a fixed role or play in a given set.
The less structured you are playing the more you need to call plays live, now Woods maybe doesn't know exactly what play he is gunna get, he knows where he is supposed to end up but is he getting off a play maker, or a tip on, or an underball?
Instead of saying nothing because he knows the structure the half now needs to say to him quickly 'Woods come under me' or 'Woods follow me up' or 'Woods take the next one' because how it looks will be different each time, even though the half and Woods both know how to help work towards the end goal the same.

The less structured game needs not just the half (or halves) that can deliver eyes up football but the whole team need a better average football IQ to be able to react to less structure without increasing errors.

Typically I expect you'd have degrees of grey ie Chad was calling all our sets for 2016 but it wouldn't surprise me if elements of that were that on play X we go wide via Maloney and meanwhile Maloney is 'unstructured' setting up how he will run our backline on the fly, so he'd probably talk more during the sets than Chad, even though he was working towards what Chad had called.
 

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speaking of Chad, was interesting to hear Flanno commentate on the Warriors game and say Chad is not a big talker on the field. I actually thought that was something he did do.

When sharks2010 asked Shane Flanagan in the leagues club why Todd Murphy wasn't getting a run @ halfback in 2015 Shane told us it was because Todd Murphy didn't have a talking game

Our halfback at the time : Chad Townsend
 

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speaking of Chad, was interesting to hear Flanno commentate on the Warriors game and say Chad is not a big talker on the field. I actually thought that was something he did do.

One glance from those steely blue eyes says all that needs to be said
 

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When sharks2010 asked Shane Flanagan in the leagues club why Todd Murphy wasn't getting a run @ halfback in 2015 Shane told us it was because Todd Murphy didn't have a talking game

Our halfback at the time : Chad Townsend

To start with wasn't Chad at Warriors in 2015? So it was actually Jeff Robson I assume who would have kept Todd out in 2015? Or Jack Bird?

Secondly one played 0 NRL games (right?) and the other (Chad) played 191 and counting and the actual others Jeff played 177 and Bird has 101 and counting.

So seems like any criticism Flanno had of Murphy vs the others was pretty justified and not great to try and compare it to any of the other guys who all had significant NRL careers.

I’ll throw in also saying a young player doesn’t talk enough seems like a nice safe answer vs ‘Todd is far too **** for NRL and needs to get better at literally everything’
 

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When sharks2010 asked Shane Flanagan in the leagues club why Todd Murphy wasn't getting a run @ halfback in 2015 Shane told us it was because Todd Murphy didn't have a talking game

Our halfback at the time : Chad Townsend

jeff robson was our halfback in 2015 fella
 

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I know people like to hate Chad but being angry at him for holding Todd Murphy out the Sharks team in 2015 is a whole new level haha
 

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I know people like to hate Chad but being angry at him for holding Todd Murphy out the Sharks team in 2015 is a whole new level haha

Hate is a strong word - a lot of people just dont think he’s a good player
 

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Nah thats just a feeling of acceptance that comes with the feeling of there’s no choice in this situation. There really isn’t anyone else.


Someone else is always available or soon will be.

Brooks isn't terrible, he's played in a terrible club though and that must suck. Quick little ****er who can kick & tackle behind a decent pack in a team with half a clue at a club that isn't poisoned (seriously players knock back more money to sign with Bulldogs). And not paid like he's Thurston. Could work. Better punt than Ash Taylor IMO.
 

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Can't believe Gards of all people got this wrong.

He certainly did - I was the one that tackled Flanno in the leagues club that night, Gards and 2010 joined in...

And yes my what I put to Flanno is why is Robson there and not Murphy. His response was "he's not a talker".
 
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