(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

BlackWhiteBlue · Nov 18, 2017

Blix said:
Val has just been paid 800k for a year where he was a below average fullback, that is massive overs given his performances. With a full year to make that spot his own he has been substandard.

Flanno would not be doing his job if he just put him straight back in there for a second year after Val did not suitably perform this year.

Would be nice to see Val actually appreciate that he didn’t have a great year (something which is plain to see to everyone) and did what was right for the team and not purely what is right from him at the expense of the team (Obviously whilst being paid massive overs for the year as well)

I think val does acknowledge that he still has plenty to improve.

andrew's_sharks · Nov 18, 2017

Blix said:
Val has just been paid 800k for a year where he was a below average fullback, that is massive overs given his performances. With a full year to make that spot his own he has been substandard.

Flanno would not be doing his job if he just put him straight back in there for a second year after Val did not suitably perform this year.

Would be nice to see Val actually appreciate that he didn’t have a great year (something which is plain to see to everyone) and did what was right for the team and not purely what is right from him at the expense of the team (Obviously whilst being paid massive overs for the year as well)

Ow please. Val did a respectable job of his first year in the NRL at fullback. An even better job than expected if you take into account he was preparing to have Barba at fullback until he got some white stuff stuck up his nose. Given that Maninga played Val at fullback for a game shows that they think he might be a long term kangaroos option at fullback in the future.

No one denies he is an amazing finisher, but given how much of a cool head he has, his talent and how hard the kid is willing to learn, it is only a matter of time before he becomes an elite NRL fullback. VAL is 22!!!!! and has already played 79 games for Cronulla. Moylan is 26 and has only played 10 more NRL games than Holmes (surely that is a clue as to who will be the better long term player) Not to mention that Holmes has already represented Australia on about 4 occasions.

Our biggest problem last year was missed tackles, penalties and errors. a lot of that sadly came from Maloney. You can't blame the fullback for that.

Sharkyle · Nov 18, 2017

I’d be happy with a fullback mid game switcharoo like we trialed with val and bird but with val and say moylan or Dugan

Fozzym · Nov 18, 2017

Dugan shouldn't be anywhere near fullback tbh

Thresher · Nov 18, 2017

Dugan's a world class fullback. At certain times during a game he could be the perfect swap to that position.

CrankyShark · Nov 18, 2017

I very strongly prefer players to have a set position. Working a set move with players in different positions I don't mind, but players sharing positions overloads their brains and mine.

Blair · Nov 18, 2017

I agree. The best thing for the team is for Dugan to master the right centre position.

I’m warming to Val at fullback long term. He’s only going to get better and he has the potential to be something special.

Riverside MF · Nov 18, 2017

andrew's_sharks said:
Ow please. Val did a respectable job of his first year in the NRL at fullback. An even better job than expected if you take into account he was preparing to have Barba at fullback until he got some white stuff stuck up his nose. Given that Maninga played Val at fullback for a game shows that they think he might be a long term kangaroos option at fullback in the future.

No one denies he is an amazing finisher, but given how much of a cool head he has, his talent and how hard the kid is willing to learn, it is only a matter of time before he becomes an elite NRL fullback. VAL is 22!!!!! and has already played 79 games for Cronulla. Moylan is 26 and has only played 10 more NRL games than Holmes (surely that is a clue as to who will be the better long term player) Not to mention that Holmes has already represented Australia on about 4 occasions.

Our biggest problem last year was missed tackles, penalties and errors. a lot of that sadly came from Maloney. You can't blame the fullback for that.

Finally a gronk on here that actually knows what he’s talking about!!

BlackWhiteBlue · Nov 18, 2017

andrew's_sharks said:
Ow please. Val did a respectable job of his first year in the NRL at fullback. An even better job than expected if you take into account he was preparing to have Barba at fullback until he got some white stuff stuck up his nose. Given that Maninga played Val at fullback for a game shows that they think he might be a long term kangaroos option at fullback in the future.

No one denies he is an amazing finisher, but given how much of a cool head he has, his talent and how hard the kid is willing to learn, it is only a matter of time before he becomes an elite NRL fullback. VAL is 22!!!!! and has already played 79 games for Cronulla. Moylan is 26 and has only played 10 more NRL games than Holmes (surely that is a clue as to who will be the better long term player) Not to mention that Holmes has already represented Australia on about 4 occasions.

Our biggest problem last year was missed tackles, penalties and errors. a lot of that sadly came from Maloney. You can't blame the fullback for that.

Val didnt start preseason at wing. Val spent the first few months in the states abd returned in the new year, with no barba in sight

Riverside MF · Nov 18, 2017

BlackWhiteBlue said:
Val didnt start preseason at wing. Val spent the first few months in the states abd returned in the new year, with no barba in sight

No Ennis, no Barba who were both standouts and the difference in 2016.
Val in his rookie year at fullback, Brailey rookie year at 9.
Cronulla still made the finals which is more than you can say for 8 other teams this year.

Look at Canberra for example.
2nd last year, missed the finals this year and what players did they lose?

CrankyShark · Nov 19, 2017

andrew's_sharks said:
Ow please. Val did a respectable job of his first year in the NRL at fullback. An even better job than expected if you take into account he was preparing to have Barba at fullback until he got some white stuff stuck up his nose. Given that Maninga played Val at fullback for a game shows that they think he might be a long term kangaroos option at fullback in the future.

At 800k it was not respectable. You get that kind of money you need to deliver if you are not injured.

andrew's_sharks said:
No one denies he is an amazing finisher, but given how much of a cool head he has, his talent and how hard the kid is willing to learn, it is only a matter of time before he becomes an elite NRL fullback. VAL is 22!!!!! and has already played 79 games for Cronulla. Moylan is 26 and has only played 10 more NRL games than Holmes (surely that is a clue as to who will be the better long term player) Not to mention that Holmes has already represented Australia on about 4 occasions.

Our biggest problem last year was missed tackles, penalties and errors. a lot of that sadly came from Maloney. You can't blame the fullback for that.

I hope that Val will become an elite fullback and ideally he deserves more that one season. However, player longevity is not really measured by age, but the number of games they play. Val has played 80 games. Being 22 means nothing. He's played 80 games, be probably has 120 top games left in him.

Capital_Shark · Nov 19, 2017

andrew's_sharks said:
Ow please. Val did a respectable job of his first year in the NRL at fullback. An even better job than expected if you take into account he was preparing to have Barba at fullback until he got some white stuff stuck up his nose. Given that Maninga played Val at fullback for a game shows that they think he might be a long term kangaroos option at fullback in the future.

No one denies he is an amazing finisher, but given how much of a cool head he has, his talent and how hard the kid is willing to learn, it is only a matter of time before he becomes an elite NRL fullback. VAL is 22!!!!! and has already played 79 games for Cronulla. Moylan is 26 and has only played 10 more NRL games than Holmes (surely that is a clue as to who will be the better long term player) Not to mention that Holmes has already represented Australia on about 4 occasions.

Our biggest problem last year was missed tackles, penalties and errors. a lot of that sadly came from Maloney. You can't blame the fullback for that.

Thats pretty spot on.

I believe Val will be a bloody good FG fullback. I think his first season there for us wasn't a stand out one by any means but that doesn't mean you turf the idea forever. He developed and will only develop further the more he plays there. Having said that if we added Pearce to this current squad its obviously the best fit to have Moylan fullback and Val on the wing at this stage. If Val comes back from a few months with Slater in the Aussie side though and makes FB his own then **** yeah.

On Pearce, I'd personally prefer him to stay at the Chooks in the hope it forces Keary out at and go for him. He's Maloney v2.0 - tough little mongrel running 5/8. Keary/Wade/Loots/Feki is a pretty potent left edge - ease off Keary a little to keep an eye on Wade and the little **** will go himself, force him to pass there is 3 big units and one is handy ball player with a kick.

Capital_Shark · Nov 19, 2017

CrankyShark said:
At 800k it was not respectable. You get that kind of money you need to deliver if you are not injured.

Thats crap. He is what he is at the moment, that won't change if you pay him more. Its a lot of money comparative to his current skill levels but I think its an investment.

BlackWhiteBlue · Nov 19, 2017

CrankyShark said:
At 800k it was not respectable. You get that kind of money you need to deliver if you are not injured.

I hope that Val will become an elite fullback and ideally he deserves more that one season. However, player longevity is not really measured by age, but the number of games they play. Val has played 80 games. Being 22 means nothing. He's played 80 games, be probably has 120 top games left in him.

Vals 800k contract starts now. He was on his previous deal in 2017

Blix · Nov 19, 2017

In regards to his fullback potential which people are drumming on about.

What exactly are his strong points which make it he will be such a great fullback.

The modern fullback can,
1 - Run
2 - Ball play
3 - Support play
4 - Kick

Thresher · Nov 19, 2017

You've covered half of it Blix, there's defence as well.

Blix · Nov 19, 2017

Thresher Shark said:
You've covered half of it Blix, there's defence as well.

Thats true, but i would still like to hear peoples answer.

vicsharkfan · Nov 19, 2017

Unless we get Pearce, Val anywhere but fullback isn’t going to happen... get Pearce then shuffle the cards no pearce Val is our number 1. 2 of our 3 number ones next year have played that position for Australia, geez remember the days of hotdogs stapo Gards and simmo.

Thresher · Nov 19, 2017

Blix said:
In regards to his fullback potential which people are drumming on about.

What exactly are his strong points which make it he will be such a great fullback.

The modern fullback can,
1 - Run
2 - Ball play
3 - Support play
4 - Kick

Okay Blix.

1. He runs well. He's fast, hits the line hard and makes good metres on ball returns. He's currently our best broken play runner but hasn't seen as much space as previous seasons. Perhaps the defence are intent on hitting him with a straight line because they now know what he's capable of.

2. Ball play is not currently his strong point. I think it will improve a lot though and it would have been great if he had a mentor last year like Brailey had with Ennis.

3. He puts in the effort with support play but he's either misjudging the best place to be or he's being watched extra closely by the defence because when he received offloads last season not much seemed to come from them.

4. He's a natural kicker. Can pot a field goal from obtuse angles, has always done well with attacking kicks to the ingoal when on the run at wing. Probably needs more time and training before he becomes a tactical kicker but he's got the talent IMO

BlackWhiteBlue · Nov 19, 2017

Thresher Shark said:
Okay Blix.

1. He runs well. He's fast, hits the line hard and makes good metres on ball returns. He's currently our best broken play runner but hasn't seen as much space as previous seasons. Perhaps the defence are intent on hitting him with a straight line because they now know what he's capable of.

2. Ball play is not currently his strong point. I think it will improve a lot though and it would have been great if he had a mentor last year like Brailey had with Ennis.

3. He puts in the effort with support play but he's either misjudging the best place to be or he's being watched extra closely by the defence because when he received offloads last season not much seemed to come from them.

4. He's a natural kicker. Can pot a field goal from obtuse angles, has always done well with attacking kicks to the ingoal when on the run at wing. Probably needs more time and training before he becomes a tactical kicker but he's got the talent IMO

Lol, is that even an achievement? Acute maybe

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